"A Massive Evangelical Sex Survey"

[Plumpurple]

Found a good (albeit long) podcast discussing typical Christian stances about sex and how that actually effects the sexual relationship within marriage as evidenced through surveys of 22,000 Christian women. It's a good listen if anyone is interested. If you don't want to listen to the full thing, I'd recommend the second half as they have quite a lengthy buildup talking about their methods of creating the study and some other tidbits, though they were interesting.

https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cH ... MxMA?ep=14

[MiddleMan]

I downloaded it and started it (about 20 minutes in), but they seem to be talking about stuff that one needs some background on. I don't follow Evangelical controversies much, so I'm a bit lost on who/what they are talking about. I'm getting the general gist of it though and hope they get to specifics soon.

[Lightbulb]

I downloaded it and started it (about 20 minutes in), but they seem to be talking about stuff that one needs some background on. I don't follow Evangelical controversies much, so I'm a bit lost on who/what they are talking about. I'm getting the general gist of it though and hope they get to specifics soon.

That team is pretty much the controversy. They have pretty much morphed from a hey, we think evangelicals might be getting bad advice on the marriage bed to a yes, evangelicals are giving bad advice because they hate women site. It's a shame, because they actually have some good course material - I think they have the go to Christian friendly course for women that haven't been able to orgasm and another one for a 30 day sex life makeover. But they consistently bad mouth other evangelical marriage/sexuality books while misquoting or taking nuanced messages out of context, then contradicting themselves later in their blog or podcast.

[newwifenewlife]

Found a good (albeit long) podcast discussing typical Christian stances about sex and how that actually effects the sexual relationship within marriage as evidenced through surveys of 22,000 Christian women. It's a good listen if anyone is interested. If you don't want to listen to the full thing, I'd recommend the second half as they have quite a lengthy buildup talking about their methods of creating the study and some other tidbits, though they were interesting.

https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cH ... MxMA?ep=14

FWIW, I did listen to nearly all the podcast above...but this survey and the controversy surrounding the author not-to-be-named here on TMB is not without merit. It is interesting to hear some of the results and it is one of the largest ever sex surveys, certainly among Christian women. HOWEVER, the methods used to acquire the people survey have been questioned by multiple people. As a male, I, of course, did not take that survey. However, I, like others here on TMB, have taken some of the author's (who shall not be named here) other surveys and found questions leading and biased, let alone as before questioned the way which participants are acquired. Hardly scientific.

At the same time, the author, not-to-be-named-here, and has seemingly asked and given her nod of approval for misbehavior (certainly unChristlike) on other sites. It got so bad for one highly respected author on Amazon that Amazon had to step in and address the illegal reviews and fan of the author not-to-be-named. I have read her book which came out based on the survey and seen misquotes and misrepresentations. She says some good things which I agree with. We just come to different conclusions on occasion and because of her methods and lack of respect and at times, unChristlike behavior along with her fans, I cannot endorse it.

This survey is questionable as compared to two of the authors (that the author-not-to-be-named criticizes) just wrote an incredible book that actually created one a scientific, nationally representative sex survey of couples (one of the largest of it's kind ever and which is really unheard of to do)

[MiddleMan]

Well, once they got on the data it was pretty good, even though I question some conclusions. Overall, I think it has value, looking at it from a woman's perspective, being honest about pain, and trying to correct skewed advice. They did say they don't think these other authors are evil, or giving bad advice on purpose.

[newwifenewlife]

...They did say they don't think these other authors are evil, or giving bad advice on purpose.

You listen to other podcasts with the author behind the survey at times insinuates so and most certainly her fans do. They have acted in such unChristlike manners that I've lost all respect for the the author I won't name.

[Bonnie+clyde]

If you are indicating that Gregoire's premises are flawed because she or her fans are flawed, then I'm afraid you are employing the Genetic Fallacy.

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding.

- Clyde

[Plumpurple]

I was not aware of the controversy surrounding their content when I posted; this was my first time coming across this survey.

I tend to listen to things I don't fully agree with and take what is beneficial and am happy to leave the rest behind. I didn't agree with the extent of criticism they entertained, but did find benefit in their willingness to critique and examine the teachings and hear of other experiences. Growing up heavily involved in this culture, it has been very helpful for me personally to feel the freedom to question what was taught and the methods that were implemented to teach those ideals and look at how they have affected my feelings and reactions regarding sex.

I am glad that in this podcast at least they emphasized they do not believe the authors had any ill intentions, as i also don't believe there were ill intentions in any of the teaching i received. Nevertheless, i don't agree with the extent of their criticism and definitely do not think slander against the other authors they mention (on the part of their fans as NWNL speaks of) is warranted or appropriate.