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Re: DISCUSSION - Watching porn WITH your spouse

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newwifenewlife wrote: Tue May 10, 2022 5:32 pm
To answer your question, no, it was one of the least mentioned by Jesus....

Thank you so much for your well constructed answer. I will freely admit that I am not as deeply mired in Biblical knowledge as I would like to be, despite having two excellent pastors who are well educated and give in depth sermons.
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David wrote: Wed May 11, 2022 2:42 am And yes, if someone in my church was watching porn then I would tell them it was sin and they need to stop, and if the minister said watching porn was Ok I would go elsewhere.
@David, taking the first sentence of the quoted bit, what would you do if you encountered a church member who only ever so occasionally looked at porn? Not a habitual "watcher", just an occasional "lurker", and not even frequent at that?

Then, I would ask you, hearkening back to earlier posts, what would you do if you encountered a fellow church member who was occasionally gluttonous? Not a regular over eater, just ever so occasionally so - maybe the aforementioned hot dog eating contest winner?

Or, maybe someone who tossed back a few pints too many from time to time?

As to your last sentence in the quoted bit - me too!!!
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Irnmyk wrote: Wed May 11, 2022 6:54 am
Then, I would ask you, hearkening back to earlier posts, what would you do if you encountered a fellow church member who was occasionally gluttonous? Not a regular over eater, just ever so occasionally so - maybe the aforementioned hot dog eating contest winner?

Or, maybe someone who tossed back a few pints too many from time to time?
I'm not sure we are using equivalent examples here. Food is not, in and of itself, sinful. Alcohol, also, despite some denominations admonitions. Pictures or videos of someone else having sex? Seems pretty clearly a sin to me. I understand others disagree and while I am willing to be gracious, I have a hard time seeing how this could not be sin. As to those who have to watch for justice, such as police or a jury, the reason they have to watch is some sin/crime was committed and the higher calling of justice for the victim requires the truth to be known.

Is there a verse on voyeurism? In all those crazy detailed Mosaic laws somewhere perhaps?
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MiddleMan wrote: Wed May 11, 2022 7:19 am
Irnmyk wrote: Wed May 11, 2022 6:54 am
Then, I would ask you, hearkening back to earlier posts, what would you do if you encountered a fellow church member who was occasionally gluttonous? Not a regular over eater, just ever so occasionally so - maybe the aforementioned hot dog eating contest winner?

Or, maybe someone who tossed back a few pints too many from time to time?
I'm not sure we are using equivalent examples here. Food is not, in and of itself, sinful. Alcohol, also, despite some denominations admonitions. Pictures or videos of someone else having sex? Seems pretty clearly a sin to me. I understand others disagree and while I am willing to be gracious, I have a hard time seeing how this could not be sin. As to those who have to watch for justice, such as police or a jury, the reason they have to watch is some sin/crime was committed and the higher calling of justice for the victim requires the truth to be known.

Is there a verse on voyeurism? In all those crazy detailed Mosaic laws somewhere perhaps?
@MiddleMan,

My question isn't about food or drink. It is about how @David would deal with someone caught up in occasional sin based on the statements he had made in his post.
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Does it really matter what the specific sin is or how often we commit it?
Sin is sin and needs to be repented of.
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footnassman wrote: Tue May 10, 2022 4:40 am
newwifenewlife wrote: Tue May 10, 2022 4:23 am
While much of that may be true, as Christ-followers we have a responsibility to respond to the truth we are confronted with and convicted by God on. James 4:17 and Romans 14
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Understanding that you and I agree on your above statement, and accepting (if you will) that we likely both feel we are Christ-followers, open to the conviction of the Holy Spirit in our Christian walk in life, what conclusions would you make about our differing perspectives?
We are different people with differing convictions and we will be held accountable for how we live out those convictions based on the Word of God and His revelations to us through His Spirit. With all respect given, I'm not sure that me stating any other thoughts or speculations about differing beliefs matters as I'm not the one you're accountable to, nor do I think it will be helpful to this conversation. It would be more advised and able to speak (or not to) on my convictions and opinions of which I'm an "expert" at ;) ...my own opinions that is. :D
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Bible:
Pro 5:15-23  Drink water from your own cistern, flowing water from your own well.  (16)  Should your springs be scattered abroad, streams of water in the streets?  (17)  Let them be for yourself alone, and not for strangers with you.  (18)  Let your fountain be blessed, and rejoice in the wife of your youth,  (19)  a lovely deer, a graceful doe. Let her breasts fill you at all times with delight; be intoxicated always in her love.  (20)  Why should you be intoxicated, my son, with a forbidden woman and embrace the bosom of an adulteress?  (21)  For a man's ways are before the eyes of the LORD, and he ponders all his paths.  (22)  The iniquities of the wicked ensnare him, and he is held fast in the cords of his sin.  (23)  He dies for lack of discipline, and because of his great folly he is led astray.
I don't mind saying it - because I've also been guilty of it - if it takes looking at someone else having sex to get you excited to have sex with your spouse, there is a serious problem that goes deep inside, and rubbing the false salve of porn on it will no heal it, it will only make it worse and cause a cancerous spread. Our culture has circumvented God in this area. And yes, I realize this didn't start in 1980 with the internet, or 1970 with Playboy, or 1890 with the camera. I've been to Rome and Athens and Corinth and seen the mosaics and pottery paintings. Solomon didn't have fiberoptic cable. Man has had this weakness from his beginning. Jesus was vary clear about how God sees our hearts.
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Mat 5:27-29  “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’  (28)  But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.  (29)  If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell.
Viewing pornography with your spouse for purposes of "lighting the fire" - what do you think you are lighting? It is done to arouse those feelings of fleshly lust, albeit in hopes you can direct them toward your spouse. What is the difference in saying "I need the adrenaline jolt of minor shoplifting to get me sexually excited" ?

We as Christians are advised to endeavor to avoid things that appear to be sinful, using the righteous judgment of all things, framed by the knowledge of God's word. It's impossible to me to understand how someone could accept that looking at the nakedness of another, or the sexual activities of another, for the sole purpose of arousing your own sexual energy, appears anything BUT sinful. That is someone else's wife, husband, son, daughter. All those who seem to find some way to justify it, what if it was your daughter or son on the screen? Or wife or husband with another person? I want my children to know their spouses intimately - and their spouses only, in every way. It is up to me to present that example. Period.

Seriously - imagine you and your spouse getting ready for some fun time, you turn on the computer, prime up some "free porn", and then you realize the one walking on-screen is your daughter and the next door neighbor....because it IS somebodies daughter.
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Re: DISCUSSION - Watching porn WITH your spouse

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Well said, LBD. Thank you
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