What books are you referring to?
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Those that Shelia is critiquing.
This is such a helpful illustration, not just in this instance, but in so many others where it can seem that truth is relative. I have struggled with knowing truth is absolute, but not always knowing how to explain those seeming anomalies to myself or someone who is questioning. Thanks!!Doug wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:22 pm I don't want to say that truth is relative, because I don't believe that. I guess the best way to say it is that not every truth is helpful to every person all the time.
If I was stuck on the side of the road with a flat tire and good spare tire, but no clue how to change a tire, it might be truthful to tell me that I needed new tires, but it would be a lot more helpful in that moment to just teach me to change the tire I already have. That would be the truth that would be most beneficial in that moment. That doesn't mean I don't really need new tires, just that I was in no position to address that at the time. Once off the side of the road, maybe that the truth about needing new tires would have more value.
Regarding this current SWG kerfuffle, I have been somewhat inactive here lately and know nothing about this latest instance. I participated in a survey she put out ages ago (maybe a year or so??) and recall the other time we discussed a controversy surrounding her. That is, I recall it happened, but not much more than that.
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This is a fascinating discussion. I, for one, am glad not so much for the disagreement, but that there can be disagreement without vitriol. These are discussions we need to have.GeorgeB wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 6:30 am Since you linked Shaunti's public statement, there may be interest in Sheila Gregoire's public response to that statement, which clarifies a number of important points.
I cut the quote at a very specific point (didn't add my own 'dot,dot,dot') to make a point about dispute and adversity.
Don't ever lose sight of the fact that the Paul and Barnabas dispute resulted in the end with two mission teams working on the field, not just the original one, literally a doubling of the worldwide mission effort going on at that time (that we are told of, anyway).
God has a documented history of working good for His purposes out of man's adversity - the ultimate adversity being Him hanging on that cross to pay for our sins. Lots of good sermons in that statement. So don't be afraid of adversity itself. Just be afraid of bad results.
I would like to make a comment on one narrow topic mentioned in the statement.
In the Bible, as far as I can tell, lust, in some cases is not sin, but rather that which leads to sin. If 'lust' is used in the sense of coveting, then coveting is sin. But 'lust' is also used of a kind of latent propensity in the flesh to desire. Paul says to make no provision for the flesh to fulfill the lusts thereof. There are lusts in the flesh, but we do not have to give in to them. James says when lust has conceived, it brings forth sin, and sin when it is finished, brings forth death. If we can nip lust-- desire-- before it conceives sin, not give it expression, then it is not sin.
But one might argue that 'lust' in the sense of coveting in the LXX of the ten commandments is sin. Anyway, that was kind of random.