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Our children all have some form of accountability on their phones/devices. With our 3 youngest, unmarried children they have Covenant Eyes, and their dad is part of their accountability partners (our adult children have chosen this for themselves.) If you aren't familiar with CE, it will take random screen shots, especially if there is clear nudity, and will blur it, which can be slightly unblurred if needed, it's enough to know what is going on but not so much you are seeing clear details, and then it's sent in a report to the accountability partners.

Last night, my husband gets a text from our daughter sharing how she was taking (fully clothed) selfies in the bathroom, but forgot to turn off her camera before getting ready for a shower. :shock: She was terrified that her dad might get a report on her, and see her! :oops: Oops, but I couldn't stop laughing, thinking of that potential scenario playing out in my mind. especially when my husband responds with a line out of Blended where the widowed father raising 3 girls, catches his daughter trying to stuff her bra, and he responds with "Fist bump. We both need this!" My daughter was able to find it all hilarious too, after the initial fear.
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Hi SC

I'm curious about the decision to install Covenant Eyes on all of your kids' devices and the discussions around that. If you're willing to discuss this here I have a couple of questions- mainly as we have a 13-yo son and it's something I've thought about for quite some time. I truly believe (and hope) he hasn't seen explicit content yet, and I know the effect that such content has on a young man, having experienced it myself. I also know that once that line has been crossed, and especially at such a young age, it's a struggle to get back from it.

1. Did you initiate the conversation of accountability following an experience you had (re-active) or as a pro-active measure to try and safeguard them from seeing content they shouldn't?

2. What are your / their thoughts around trust, and the possibility that such measures will give the impression that they cannot be trusted?

3. Up until what age will you implement this? At what stage do you hand over to them and trust that they will do the right thing?
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My boys asked for it. Well, not at first. We just flat out told them that if we are paying for the device and access, we will have this. We never paid for cell phones, but a couple of them asked us to install it on the phones as well. We used NetNanny. For a boy at 13, it would be wise to get something installed. Show him you can see what websites are visited and hopefully if he hasn't already been exposed, this will discourage him for a while.
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I think I may be the outlier here. I have three boys from 20 to 13. My 13 y.o. just got his phone.
I have no filters on any of them. I'm always open to change but for now I don't subscribe to this kind of crutch.
I have had very good conversations with each of them concerning drug use and pornography and the potential consequences.
Safeguards were not very effective for me but understanding the why behind things were.
I have communicated to them the importance of a strong, masculine self and that pornography undercuts that, teaches you to live by shortcuts and that the real thing, when the time comes, far exceeds. This has removed the 'alluring mystery' to it.
They stay very physically active to burn energy so they have a productive outlet.
I know this may seem dicey but I want to raise mentally strong boys and this is my mode for now. They trust me and we have very strong relationships so that is helpful too.
So far this has been effective as far as I can see.
I'll be open if we run into problems.

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NotDoneYet wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 2:33 am 1. Did you initiate the conversation of accountability following an experience you had (re-active) or as a pro-active measure to try and safeguard them from seeing content they shouldn't?
Some kind of filter was part of the deal of them getting a device that had internet access. It wasn't smart phones to begin with. We homeschool, so our kids had no need for them so they were "late-bloomers" in that area.

Last I heard, the average age of of first exposure to porn was 8 or 9. I can't see that your son hasn't seen it, especially if he's had his own internet device for some time. Common apps like TikTok, Instagram, and such are easy gateways to that stuff. Snap Chat is a "safe" way to exchange inappropriate pics with friends and others.

Also be aware, where there's a will, there's a way. People, including kids, find ways to work around things, if they desire. One of our sons was 14 when he came to us confessing his "porn addiction", that started at 13, and he was seeking help for it.
2. What are your / their thoughts around trust, and the possibility that such measures will give the impression that they cannot be trusted?
They have basically grown up hearing the testimony of their dad and his porn issue, and hearing how to help with it. We have always taught them how to help prevent sin, in more areas than just this one. The whole "trust" issue was never a problem/issue. My husband actually reciprocated for time so that they were his partners as well. It was after another funny incident that changed.... when I sent a boob shot when we were apart....and then I recalled about CE and a son may get a blurred screen shot of it. That's when my husband dropped others as his CE acct. partners and just started using me

A 13 year old boy, at the beginning of puberty, with surges of hormones he has never experienced before..... it's not about not trusting them (though I wouldn't), it's about trusting that the experience is so new and so strong, as dad/parent, you need to come along side them and say, "let's walk this together....[this] may be some what you will experience, and here are some ways to handle it and ways we can help stay away from the cliffs edge of falling into sin." It's a great opportunity to live/present the gospel and show their need for Jesus... sin is powerful (even when we know it's wrong) and the only way to kill it and the beast that lives within, is by and through Jesus.
3. Up until what age will you implement this? At what stage do you hand over to them and trust that they will do the right thing?
However long our children desire it. All of our children (23, 21, 20, 18) want it, and so they still use it. The oldest is married and has 2 kids. He doesnt use CE, but another accountability filter. For a time, he had none, and then he got one with his wife and a friend as his accountability. But then he ended up putting his dad back on.

Again, because dad set the example, this was never made about trusting/not trusting. This was presented as a tool to help one do the right that they desire to do..... because if one truly desires the wrong, they will do it and find a way around any safety filter on a device. (For example, the first filter used, was free but it had ads. It was just a filter, no screenshots, no accountability reports, etc. A son found if you clicked on the ad, it took him to where he had freedom to search anything he wanted.)
God can change what people do, behavioral patterns that have been in play for decades. He can change what we do to cope, to find comfort, to survive conflict, to count. Rahab had done a same old thing for years... and then she did something new.
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MiddleMan wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 6:06 am My boys asked for it. Well, not at first. We just flat out told them that if we are paying for the device and access, we will have this.
In our country, this would be bordering on the criminal offense of violating personal freedom and freedom of communication.

And my son, when he was around 10-16, was thinking of being a lawyer or a judge. (He is a married and political scientist Master student and possibly a politician.)

And he would not fail to explain to me that I have to pay for his mobile internet (right to equal living standards, constitutional right to education, etc.) and he has the constitutional right to privacy and freedom even from his parents. And that he already has enough savings from his grandmothers in his account for a lawyer. :lol:

It wasn't an easy upbringing (he is ADHD).
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I would never do that. For one thing if he wants to see nudes, none of his friends computers are blocked. I rather discuss the issue if it comes up. Not to mention they are going to see nudes sooner or later.
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