Let me start with your last comment first. An experiment was conducted in 1971 (Hafele-Keating experiment) to test some of the predictions of relativity theory. Specifically, a set of atomic clocks were synchronized; some of them were put on an airplane that flew around the earth and the rest remained on the ground (i.e. they did not fly around the earth). The time on the ground clocks disagreed with the time on the ones flown around the earth by an amount predicted by relativity theory.MrMarried wrote: ↑Tue Aug 02, 2022 5:11 amAnother perspective is that time might be some aspect of God's nature that we partake of. I don't see any hints of 'outside of time' or 'bound by time' as being a concept taught in scripture or consistent with scripture. I've heard Hugh Ross and other science apologetic type arguments that, as Hugh Ross puts it, 'the God of the Bible' is outside of time. I don't know what the Biblical basis for this is supposed to be. That idea doesn't seem to fit with certain scriptures, and I don't really see anything endorsing his physics-based concepts of time in the Bible when I read it.SLS wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:10 pmPerhaps another way to phrase what Olorin is saying is that God is not "bound" by time. He is able to see all of spacetime and every physical action (from the interactions of the largest galaxies to the smallest fundamental particles) from the birth of the universe onwards.
In other words God is not limited to the physical universe and spacetime.
That's not to say that there aren't some amazing aspects of creation that are not in the Bible. Probably many things are beyond our comprehension.
do believe in time travel, and I am a time traveler. But I only believe it is possible for us to go in one direction, the direction I am going, forward, at a constant rate.That's based on one of Einstein's theories. I don't think anyone has ever done this particular experiment to prove it, though.While I agree that time travel to the past is not possible you could theoretically travel to the future if you were on a spacecraft capable of relativistic speeds. After traveling at 95% of the speed of light for 10 years you would end up 32 years in the future according to Earth's clock.
Relativity theory has been confirmed whenever it has been tested. While it is true that scientific theories can change in light of new evidence, any new theory of space and time will have to agree with special and general relativity in the relevant limiting cases, just as special relativity reduces to Galilean relativity at speeds much less than the speed of light (Galilean relativity was the theory prior to Einstein).
To beat this horse a bit further, another prediction of the 'old' relativity theory (Galilean Relativity) is that velocity transformations between moving frames can be done simply through addition. What this means is that if I drive by you in a car and you see me throw a ball, you will measure the total velocity of the ball to be the sum of the speed of my car and how ever fast I throw the ball (total ball speed = car speed + ball throw speed). Seems reasonable, however, the problem is that if instead of a ball I turn on a flashlight the old theory would say the stationary observer would see the photons of light traveling at the speed of light plus the speed of my car! This can't be right, since experiments have shown light has the same speed in every inertial (non accelerating) frame. The Lorentz transformations (the equations of special relativity) correctly predict that when transforming velocities between reference frames, nothing ever moves faster than light.
Sorry for the long discourse, but my point here is that general and special relativity theory are on pretty firm experimental ground.
It may not be possible to get a clear picture of God's relationship to time from reading the Bible. I recognize this is not a proof, but it would seem that for God to be omnipotent and omniscient He would have to be free of any of the restrictions we experience from living in 'time' (or space-time).
As I said, there are lots of ways to think about this, and I don't think anyone will have a 'final' answer to this problem, at least on this side of eternity.